[WideMinds] BENAZIR BHUTTO IS ASSASSINATED - MORE GOVT COVER UP ....

[Jude]

The US government began Al Qaeda when we were helping Afghanistan while they
fought Russia, that is who Al Qaeda is and why. So again the thing we fear
the most is our own invention.



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MORE GOVT COVER UP ....



1. Govt and official media immediate declares that Al-Qaeda and Talaban are
the Assasins ...... who is Al=Qaeda is the question. I can make an Al-Qaeda
web site today and post any message on it. So can CIA or Musharraf.



2. Washing away of forensic evideces from the place of the attack. We all
saw to our horror how the Govt quickly moved to use the high pressure water
hoses to completely wash away all blood stains and bomb shrapnels and any
other valuable pieces of likely evidences which could have greatly helped to
identify the culprits. No Govt who is interested to find the culprit will do
this except if they have a hand on it.



Same thing happened at ground zero and other 3 sites of 911 attack. Within a
record time of less than 5 months whole debris from ground zero and other
places were shipped to the melting plants in India and China and erased all
evidences. There is great similarities here. Interesting though....



President is silent on that too. Hmmmmmm ....



Niyas



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BENAZIR BHUTTO IS ASSASSINATED

(Inna Lillahi Wainna Ilaihi Raji'oon)



WHO IS THE BENEFICIARY



Islamic Terrorists - Definitely NO!



Benazir could have brought better democracy (with civilian rule) than the
present military dictator. The climate then would have been much better for
the "Islamic terrorists" to operate. So they will not make such a terrible
mistake.



Nawaz Sharief - No way.



He will never ever try this fete since he himself is as vulnerable as she
was. Furthermore, he barely managed to get in to the country after long
years in exile. A small mistake could easily put him back in exile instantly
for years more. Moreover, the dictator ruler could easiy find out his
involvement and then it would be easy to send him to gallows. If he missed
the target and Benazir escaped she could hang him too if she would come to
power. SO the chance of escape for Nawaz is remote. He would not even dream
of such a thought.



Jama'et e Islami - Their agenda is not in this line. They are an extremely
religious group working on Qur'anic injunctions. They have no way of coming
to power with a majority if Bhutto is eliminated since their seats are small
in number.



People of Red Mosque - Not possible. She had nothing to do with them. It was
Musharraf and the Govt who massacred them.



Govt - They have a lot to lose if Bhutto won the elections. Now that
immediate threat is gone since there is no viable leader to take after her.
Their chance of returning to power now is much better. Musharraf would
prefer them as his ally.



President Musharraf - The biggest threat of her return to power is for
President Musharraf. America probably tried to make a deal between them in
order to prop her up to power and eventually clip his wings and put him in
cold storage as Americans often do.



Reasons :

1. Benazir is the current "darling" of the criminal America as much as
Musharraf was upto the time of her return.
2. Musharraf has done maximum to promote the agenda of America. He
helped them to kill many hundreds of thousands of Afghan and Pakistani
Talabans and their supporting civilians. He couldn't be of more use in those
lines to America. They squeezed as much juice as possible. No more is left.
3. He arrested and sent over 700 so called suspected Talaban
"Terrorists" to torture chambers of America.
4. He probably gave away many nuclear secrets to CIA and there is no
more that America can get out of him, for tangible fat rewards of course.
5. Now he became very un-popular by destroying the judiciary and over
doing his crimes - a grave mistake which put him on the path of no return.
He has spoilt the name of America too and he is an embarrassment for their
"dignity", ofcourse false dignity.
6. He now knows America is empowering Bhutto to oust him and have
another "useful" leader who is fresh and young and popular. "The Cow who
went dry of milk is in the process of being replaced with a young milking
cow" Musharraf knows since he came to power thru' the same machinery. He
allowed them to milk him probably for a miserably small reward for him.
7. Same thing is happening in Egypt. 2 Billion a year to Hosni. He has
to ensure "no weapons go to his brothers in Palestine" so that they can
defend themselves from the Jewish brutality. Right now their "gift" has been
temporarily halted since "Hosni is "not doing enough" to stop arms flowing
in to Palestine. So is the complaint from his "friends" from Tel Aviv.
America takes orders from Tel Aviv.. We all know that.
8. In short Musharraf is a "spent Bullet" for America. So he has to
make himself as the only option for America.
9. In the first attack on her arrival to the country all street lights,
where the attack took place, were put off from the nearby power station just
before the attack. She complained to the President that the culprit is there
under his nose. But he never bothered to catch him. Why? is the BIG
question?
10. This is like when America refused to prove their case against OBL
with the Black box recordings. They simply said they were never found,
though they found the passport of Atha at ground zero. Not only that, they
refused to look in to the hundreds of surveillance camera recordings of the
plane or whatever crashed in Pentagon. They could have easily proved atleast
there was a Boeing 767 crashed. The whole world is asking for this evidence
since no motorists in the jam packed street below had seen a plane fly
"inches above ground" before it crashed, as some "planted" media men
reported.



Now you decide who could possibly do this brutal murder. It has to be anyone
who benefits out of this political acrobat.



Niyas





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[Hank Roth]

Bhutto said in a David Frost interview that Osama bin Laden was
murdered by the same person who killed Daniel Pearl - a man who went
to the London School of Economics, a man who worked for MI6 and if the
public knew that bin Laden was dead there would be no need to continue
this charade for a war against terrorism - and that is why she was
assassinated. Bush knew. So did the dictator of Pakistan.
That is a real conspiracy and I got it straight from the mouth of
Jack Baer on "24" and if it was on television IT MUST BE TRUE.
Hank

P.S. I meant to say........ Wait a minute. There are black helicopters
landing in my yard. Hold on. Why are they carrying those assault rifles?

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[marco_pertoni]

INTERNATIONAL 28/12/2007 15.14
FROM THE EDITOR'S DESK: DEATH OF BENAZIR BHUTTO

Miscellaneous, Standard


Anybody could have killed Benazir Bhutto: 1) talibans, for instance,
who apparently walk in and out of Pakistan whenever they please from
the Afghani border, where Osama bin-Laden or whoever hides behind
his name runs al-Qaeda's headquarters. 2) Or some different Islamic
extremists, generally identified as al-Quaedists and blamed for all
of the world's evils. 3) And why not Pakistani president Pervez
Musharraf or his followers, as Bhutto's husband suggested? 4) Or
some Western or anti-muslim country's intelligence? 5) 0r other
unsuspected or unsuspectables of a different nature? The list of
possible killers could be endless, especially if we take into
account the following day's multiple reactions: 1) the
government "is not aware of any link between al-Quaeda" and the
assassination, according to a press release issued by Pakistan's
interior ministry. 2) "Asia Times" and local TV station "Ary",
though, keep reporting on phone calls and messages in which al-Qaeda
claims the attack. 3) America's best spies in FBI and CIA keep
repeating that, despite the claims, they are not able to confirm
anything. We could go on with the list, but any guess would be
possible and uncertainty won't probably be overcome in a long time,
as in many similar cases in countries which are less troubling than
Pakistan. The real killers, beyond the material executors, need to
be searched for elsewhere and in a different way.

Bhutto's personal and political biography is troubled and
complicated. She spent a long time in Dubai until October, in a
reasonable and comfortable exile along with her family, while trying
to escape corruption charges in her country. This last Pakistani
victim may have hidden many other dark sides of her life. She is
only one in hundreds, though, who were killed in attacks, clashes
and spreads of violence in the past months, including those who died
in the attack on the Red Mosque in July. Why did the former prime
minister from the 1990s come back and continue her political
opposition battle between attacks and unreliable agreements with
Musharraf? Is she a heroine, a Shiite Joan of Arc – her father and
15-20% of the Pakistani population are Shiite? Or was she manouvred
in a more complex game, "a puppet controlled by Washington" and
maybe "America's most valuable instrument," as many terroristic
organizations were quoted as saying? She represented Pakistan and
the country's future. Is that what pushed her ahead or was she led
by different pressures we all know but which the world's public
opinion tends not to remember? (continues)
(TC)
[CO]



Beyond Bhutto's personal convictions and her family's political
pride, it is no secret that Washington strongly wanted the former
prime minister to return to Pakistan after eight yers of exile.
Those who hide, pretend not to know or underestimate this fact are
helping to covering up the truth. Forgetting the tragic death of
Benazir's father, prime minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto, who was hanged
in 1979 after a coup and a controversial trial, is also not helpful.
Benazir's brothers' deaths were not less terrible. Shahnawaz was
found dead in 1985, years before his sister came to power, in his
French house in Cannes. Murtaza, a member of the Pakistani
parliament, was killed in 1996 in Karachi, after he had spent years
in Afghanistan following his father's execution. Benazir's husband,
instead, spent a long time in prison after he had been convicted for
corruption. Bhutto – may she rest in peace – never enjoyed a
peaceful life on earth, just as the entire Islamic Republic of
Pakistan. With its about 150 million population and its dozens of
nuclear weapons, Bhutto's country hasn't been peaceful in decades,
maybe since its independence from India in 1947. Maybe for this
reason, and due to her graduate studies in the United States,
Benazir – with her beautiful face always wrapped in a silk veil –
was always praised by the Western press, even when she probably did
not deserve it. Twenty years ago she was a young woman in a position
of power in a muslim country – with the second highest number of
muslim believers in the world after Indonesia. Today, Bhutto may
have been seen as an ideal ambassador of the "Great Middle-East",
which had to remain `democratic' at all costs and befriend
Washington and Tel Aviv, complying to a model which is dreamed by
the American neo-cons and pursued by the US government with its war
against Iraq. Bordering Iran, Afghanistan, the People's Republic of
China and the Indian Ocean's Arabic Sea, Pakistan is not the center
of that region, but it can easily be home to extended explosions, in
a deadly process which keeps bringing about war, violence and
destructions in different areas of the planet. Even without
mentioning the theories of the `New World Order' by American
television preacher Pat Robertson, yesterday's attack raises fears
over the "clash of civilizations" which was theorized by the worst
of American conservatorism, and not only – Over 150 former students
of the "Regent University", a not very prestigious academic
institution which was founded some years ago by the above mentioned
TV preacher, are currently serving in president Bush's
administration. Led and pushed, maybe against her own will, by this
simplistic vision of the world, Benazir Bhutto went back to Pakistan
just to be an instrument of the democratic model to be exported at
all costs in countries of the `heatens', who are increasingly
identified by many as the West's new enemies after the fall of the
Berlin wall and communism. (continues)
(TC)
[CO]

Despite the generous economic, logistic and moral `help' ensured by
Washington, especially after the attack on the Twin Towers in New
York, general Musharraf did not match American expectations and
sometimes he even acted according to its own will, with all the
consequent political ambiguities. David Schultz, professor at the
Hamline University in Minnesota, told media in the United States
that the general's behaviour had generated a deep disappointment.
But was Bhutto's death in an attack convenient for Musharraf?
Neither he nor the victim were unanimously supported in their
country. Their fields were strictly determined and opposit, to the
extent that Schultz himself foresaw a possible civil war following
yesterday's events. Only days before the next elections on January
8, which will probably be postponed, why would Musharraf be
interested in an upheaval of the political arena in which power was
negotiated with the prime minister? Observing a map of Asia from
Pakistan to Egypt, Gaza and Israel, and further, maybe to Annapolis,
one faces many doubts over those who could benefit from Bhutto's
death. Manoeuvred as she was by others, maybe the Americans, her
assassination reminds me of other executions of important people,
starting from Lebanon, another troubled territory at the center of
the `Great Middle East'. It also raises similar questions: are
really Islamic terrorists the only possible actors who are
interested in destabilizing everything everywhere? Even when, as is
the case now, it can all turn against them? The concept of a `Great
Middle East', which was officially introduced to the world by the US
president with the `G8-Greater Middle East Partnership' document
during the preliminary works of the 2004 G8 summit, is an ambiguous
political definition. As its own creators admitted, it can include
an enormous region of the world, ranging from Egypt and Turkey to
Afghanistan and Pakistan, but it can also indicate different areas
with a relevant muslim presence. In April 2004, French magazine "Le
Monde Diplomatique", quoting Adam Garfunkle, member of the American
pragmatic-cons, who are much different from the neo-cons, said
that: "in some world regions democracy can nourish forces which are
hostile to its model, the West." Garfunkle added that America's
friendly attitude towards non-democratic Eastern regimes such as
Saudi Arabia and Egypt gave origin to a "permanent condition of
blatant diplomatic hypocricy," which led to hostility and conflict.
Can't an excessive "diplomatic hypocricy", along with a political
arrogance, be blamed for this new Pakistani trouble, beyond the mere
executors of the attack? This senseless international intrigue
killed Bhutto, after it had exterminated hundreds of innocent
citizens in the previous weeks. Without a non-hypocrit, honest,
effective and reconciling diplomacy, the Great Middle East risks to
be turned into an immense land of hatred, desolation and death.
(Pietro Mariano Benni)
(TC)
[CO]






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[Khaled Aly]

It is true that Al Qaeda was initially armed to fight the Soviets out of
Afghanistan and that Saddam Hussein was armed to fight the newly born
fundamentalist revolution in Iran. After each achieved a relative
victory, they "believed themselves" in the sense of their then current
state of military power and they started to build on arms and set forth
political objectives on top of their evolving power.

Al Qaeda adopted the struggle (in Arabic: Jihad) to re-bring to life the
State of Islamic Khelafa, a term used in earliest Islamic age meaning
successorship by current leader's nomination prior to the later's death.
I wonder whether they have developed a sound and pragmatic political
system explaining how to accomplish this enormous goal of declaring
world-wide custody over all Moslems and whether they noted that the
Qur'an did not endorse a particular political or economic system.

Saddam, on another hand, set goal to become a great military power until
he ranked world-wide sixth in that respect (not sure of accuracy). Then
he set goal to extend his authority over the small oil-rich lightly
populated Gulf states.

Pakistan... seems to be heading towards civil riots and instability.
It's probably a little intimidating to people when the president's
response to his presidency being claimed unconstitutional by the supreme
court was to seclude the chief of supreme court and all upper layer
judges and appoint his own in place, then suspend the constitution, and
declare a state of emergency until he is re-elected. People might feel
somewhat frustrated about such unprecedented actions. But it seems that
secular Bhutto was assassinated by whomever to give way to a
single-handed Islamic opposition, lead by moderate Islamic Nawaz Sherif
and backed up by fundamentalist groups, where the door may be open later
to Al Qaeda and Taleban for riotous/terrorist actions, both
organizations now seem to be operating out of the Pakistani-Afghan
border area and have declared their established "branch offices" in
western Pakistan. The issue is apparently shifting from Afghanistan to
Pakistan.

Post by Jude
The US government began Al Qaeda when we were helping Afghanistan while they
fought Russia, that is who Al Qaeda is and why. So again the thing we fear
the most is our own invention.
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Subject: [WideMinds] BENAZIR BHUTTO IS ASSASSINATED - MORE GOVT COVER UP
....
MORE GOVT COVER UP ....
1. Govt and official media immediate declares that Al-Qaeda and Talaban are
the Assasins ...... who is Al=Qaeda is the question. I can make an Al-Qaeda
web site today and post any message on it. So can CIA or Musharraf.
2. Washing away of forensic evideces from the place of the attack. We all
saw to our horror how the Govt quickly moved to use the high pressure water
hoses to completely wash away all blood stains and bomb shrapnels and any
other valuable pieces of likely evidences which could have greatly helped to
identify the culprits. No Govt who is interested to find the culprit will do
this except if they have a hand on it.
Same thing happened at ground zero and other 3 sites of 911 attack. Within a
record time of less than 5 months whole debris from ground zero and other
places were shipped to the melting plants in India and China and erased all
evidences. There is great similarities here. Interesting though....
President is silent on that too. Hmmmmmm ....
Niyas
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
BENAZIR BHUTTO IS ASSASSINATED
(Inna Lillahi Wainna Ilaihi Raji'oon)
WHO IS THE BENEFICIARY
Islamic Terrorists - Definitely NO!
Benazir could have brought better democracy (with civilian rule) than the
present military dictator. The climate then would have been much better for
the "Islamic terrorists" to operate. So they will not make such a terrible
mistake.
Nawaz Sharief - No way.
He will never ever try this fete since he himself is as vulnerable as she
was. Furthermore, he barely managed to get in to the country after long
years in exile. A small mistake could easily put him back in exile instantly
for years more. Moreover, the dictator ruler could easiy find out his
involvement and then it would be easy to send him to gallows. If he missed
the target and Benazir escaped she could hang him too if she would come to
power. SO the chance of escape for Nawaz is remote. He would not even dream
of such a thought.
Jama'et e Islami - Their agenda is not in this line. They are an extremely
religious group working on Qur'anic injunctions. They have no way of coming
to power with a majority if Bhutto is eliminated since their seats are small
in number.
People of Red Mosque - Not possible. She had nothing to do with them. It was
Musharraf and the Govt who massacred them.
Govt - They have a lot to lose if Bhutto won the elections. Now that
immediate threat is gone since there is no viable leader to take after her.
Their chance of returning to power now is much better. Musharraf would
prefer them as his ally.
President Musharraf - The biggest threat of her return to power is for
President Musharraf. America probably tried to make a deal between them in
order to prop her up to power and eventually clip his wings and put him in
cold storage as Americans often do.
1. Benazir is the current "darling" of the criminal America as much as
Musharraf was upto the time of her return.
2. Musharraf has done maximum to promote the agenda of America. He
helped them to kill many hundreds of thousands of Afghan and Pakistani
Talabans and their supporting civilians. He couldn't be of more use in those
lines to America. They squeezed as much juice as possible. No more is left.
3. He arrested and sent over 700 so called suspected Talaban
"Terrorists" to torture chambers of America.
4. He probably gave away many nuclear secrets to CIA and there is no
more that America can get out of him, for tangible fat rewards of course.
5. Now he became very un-popular by destroying the judiciary and over
doing his crimes - a grave mistake which put him on the path of no return.
He has spoilt the name of America too and he is an embarrassment for their
"dignity", ofcourse false dignity.
6. He now knows America is empowering Bhutto to oust him and have
another "useful" leader who is fresh and young and popular. "The Cow who
went dry of milk is in the process of being replaced with a young milking
cow" Musharraf knows since he came to power thru' the same machinery. He
allowed them to milk him probably for a miserably small reward for him.
7. Same thing is happening in Egypt. 2 Billion a year to Hosni. He has
to ensure "no weapons go to his brothers in Palestine" so that they can
defend themselves from the Jewish brutality. Right now their "gift" has been
temporarily halted since "Hosni is "not doing enough" to stop arms flowing
in to Palestine. So is the complaint from his "friends" from Tel Aviv.
America takes orders from Tel Aviv.. We all know that.
8. In short Musharraf is a "spent Bullet" for America. So he has to
make himself as the only option for America.
9. In the first attack on her arrival to the country all street lights,
where the attack took place, were put off from the nearby power station just
before the attack. She complained to the President that the culprit is there
under his nose. But he never bothered to catch him. Why? is the BIG
question?
10. This is like when America refused to prove their case against OBL
with the Black box recordings. They simply said they were never found,
though they found the passport of Atha at ground zero. Not only that, they
refused to look in to the hundreds of surveillance camera recordings of the
plane or whatever crashed in Pentagon. They could have easily proved atleast
there was a Boeing 767 crashed. The whole world is asking for this evidence
since no motorists in the jam packed street below had seen a plane fly
"inches above ground" before it crashed, as some "planted" media men
reported.
Now you decide who could possibly do this brutal murder. It has to be anyone
who benefits out of this political acrobat.
Niyas
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[Hank Roth]

All good points. Thank you for posting them. And pursuant to this
informed posting by you have some questions which I would like you to
also address. How widespread is this idea of Khelafa among Muslims?
And secondly, why is it not being discussed more openly in the press
(at least the Arab press) that the so-called terrorists (I think it is
more appropriate to refer to them as insurgents or militant
opposition) are mostly well educated. Most of them are professionals
or have advanced degrees. These are not stupid men. As a for instance,
look at the credentials for the president of Iran. Look at the
credentials of most of the attackers on 9/11. The head of al-qaeda are
all educated.

I think there was the exception of the former head of al-Qaeda in
Iraq, who was never really accepted by bin Laden as anything but a
rogue. Or am I wrong about him. I simply can't remember.

I would appreciate your analysis and comments with regard to my query.

Again, thanks for posting.

Hank

Post by Khaled Aly
It is true that Al Qaeda was initially armed to fight the Soviets out of
Afghanistan and that Saddam Hussein was armed to fight the newly born
fundamentalist revolution in Iran. After each achieved a relative
victory, they "believed themselves" in the sense of their then current
state of military power and they started to build on arms and set forth
political objectives on top of their evolving power.
Al Qaeda adopted the struggle (in Arabic: Jihad) to re-bring to life the
State of Islamic Khelafa, a term used in earliest Islamic age meaning
successorship by current leader's nomination prior to the later's death.
I wonder whether they have developed a sound and pragmatic political
system explaining how to accomplish this enormous goal of declaring
world-wide custody over all Moslems and whether they noted that the
Qur'an did not endorse a particular political or economic system.
Saddam, on another hand, set goal to become a great military power until
he ranked world-wide sixth in that respect (not sure of accuracy). Then
he set goal to extend his authority over the small oil-rich lightly
populated Gulf states.
Pakistan... seems to be heading towards civil riots and instability.
It's probably a little intimidating to people when the president's
response to his presidency being claimed unconstitutional by the supreme
court was to seclude the chief of supreme court and all upper layer
judges and appoint his own in place, then suspend the constitution, and
declare a state of emergency until he is re-elected. People might feel
somewhat frustrated about such unprecedented actions. But it seems that
secular Bhutto was assassinated by whomever to give way to a
single-handed Islamic opposition, lead by moderate Islamic Nawaz Sherif
and backed up by fundamentalist groups, where the door may be open later
to Al Qaeda and Taleban for riotous/terrorist actions, both
organizations now seem to be operating out of the Pakistani-Afghan
border area and have declared their established "branch offices" in
western Pakistan. The issue is apparently shifting from Afghanistan to
Pakistan.

Post by Jude
The US government began Al Qaeda when we were helping Afghanistan while they
fought Russia, that is who Al Qaeda is and why. So again the thing we fear
the most is our own invention.
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Post by Jude
Subject: [WideMinds] BENAZIR BHUTTO IS ASSASSINATED - MORE GOVT COVER UP
....
MORE GOVT COVER UP ....
1. Govt and official media immediate declares that Al-Qaeda and Talaban are
the Assasins ...... who is Al=Qaeda is the question. I can make an Al-Qaeda
web site today and post any message on it. So can CIA or Musharraf.
2. Washing away of forensic evideces from the place of the attack. We all
saw to our horror how the Govt quickly moved to use the high pressure water
hoses to completely wash away all blood stains and bomb shrapnels and any
other valuable pieces of likely evidences which could have greatly helped to
identify the culprits. No Govt who is interested to find the culprit will do
this except if they have a hand on it.
Same thing happened at ground zero and other 3 sites of 911 attack. Within a
record time of less than 5 months whole debris from ground zero and other
places were shipped to the melting plants in India and China and erased all
evidences. There is great similarities here. Interesting though....
President is silent on that too. Hmmmmmm ....
Niyas
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++=
BENAZIR BHUTTO IS ASSASSINATED
(Inna Lillahi Wainna Ilaihi Raji'oon)
WHO IS THE BENEFICIARY
Islamic Terrorists - Definitely NO!
Benazir could have brought better democracy (with civilian rule) than the
present military dictator. The climate then would have been much better for
the "Islamic terrorists" to operate. So they will not make such a terrible
mistake.
Nawaz Sharief - No way.
He will never ever try this fete since he himself is as vulnerable as she
was. Furthermore, he barely managed to get in to the country after long
years in exile. A small mistake could easily put him back in exile instantly
for years more. Moreover, the dictator ruler could easiy find out his
involvement and then it would be easy to send him to gallows. If he missed
the target and Benazir escaped she could hang him too if she would come to
power. SO the chance of escape for Nawaz is remote. He would not even dream
of such a thought.
Jama'et e Islami - Their agenda is not in this line. They are an extremely
religious group working on Qur'anic injunctions. They have no way of coming
to power with a majority if Bhutto is eliminated since their seats

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small
in number.
People of Red Mosque - Not possible. She had nothing to do with them. It was
Musharraf and the Govt who massacred them.
Govt - They have a lot to lose if Bhutto won the elections. Now that
immediate threat is gone since there is no viable leader to take

after

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her.
Their chance of returning to power now is much better. Musharraf would
prefer them as his ally.
President Musharraf - The biggest threat of her return to power is for
President Musharraf. America probably tried to make a deal between them in
order to prop her up to power and eventually clip his wings and put him in
cold storage as Americans often do.
1. Benazir is the current "darling" of the criminal America as much as
Musharraf was upto the time of her return.
2. Musharraf has done maximum to promote the agenda of America. He
helped them to kill many hundreds of thousands of Afghan and Pakistani
Talabans and their supporting civilians. He couldn't be of more

use in

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those
lines to America. They squeezed as much juice as possible. No more is left.
3. He arrested and sent over 700 so called suspected Talaban
"Terrorists" to torture chambers of America.
4. He probably gave away many nuclear secrets to CIA and there is no
more that America can get out of him, for tangible fat rewards of course.
5. Now he became very un-popular by destroying the judiciary and over
doing his crimes - a grave mistake which put him on the path of no return.
He has spoilt the name of America too and he is an embarrassment for their
"dignity", ofcourse false dignity.
6. He now knows America is empowering Bhutto to oust him and have
another "useful" leader who is fresh and young and popular. "The Cow who
went dry of milk is in the process of being replaced with a young milking
cow" Musharraf knows since he came to power thru' the same

machinery. He

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allowed them to milk him probably for a miserably small reward for him.
7. Same thing is happening in Egypt. 2 Billion a year to Hosni. He has
to ensure "no weapons go to his brothers in Palestine" so that they can
defend themselves from the Jewish brutality. Right now their "gift" has been
temporarily halted since "Hosni is "not doing enough" to stop arms flowing
in to Palestine. So is the complaint from his "friends" from Tel Aviv.
America takes orders from Tel Aviv.. We all know that.
8. In short Musharraf is a "spent Bullet" for America. So he has to
make himself as the only option for America.
9. In the first attack on her arrival to the country all street lights,
where the attack took place, were put off from the nearby power station just
before the attack. She complained to the President that the

culprit is

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there
under his nose. But he never bothered to catch him. Why? is the BIG
question?
10. This is like when America refused to prove their case against OBL
with the Black box recordings. They simply said they were never found,
though they found the passport of Atha at ground zero. Not only that, they
refused to look in to the hundreds of surveillance camera recordings of the
plane or whatever crashed in Pentagon. They could have easily proved atleast
there was a Boeing 767 crashed. The whole world is asking for this evidence
since no motorists in the jam packed street below had seen a plane fly
"inches above ground" before it crashed, as some "planted" media men
reported.
Now you decide who could possibly do this brutal murder. It has to be anyone
who benefits out of this political acrobat.
Niyas
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Post by Hank Roth
How widespread is this idea of Khelafa among Muslims?

Have no idea. I'd bet very little. To try to establish a limited regime
somewhere and call it so is one thing. To actually implement the concept
at the grand scale of say the Ottoman khelafa/empire is another. That
was the last one and it ended up with disastrously backward societies. I
don't see this happening again in practice. I've never had any
affiliations other than professional or intellectual, so it is out my
circle of contacts. The common Arab Gulf Market, just announced
following the progressive EC/EU model, is a good example of the current
state of mind and likely the objective of most ordinary Arab people.

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why is it not being discussed more openly in the press
(at least the Arab press) that the so-called terrorists (I think it is
more appropriate to refer to them as insurgents or militant
opposition) are mostly well educated.

I disagree with this as I mentioned in my previous posting, but that's
my own perception/understanding. There are always few heads and mass
followers. Not all the heads have degrees/skills, neither do at all the
majority of the followers. The skills of those who executed 9/11 most
likely do not represent all fundamentalist militants, not to mention
that they received specialized covert training. I'd guess they must've
been carefully selected as demonstrated by how cleverly yet irrationally
they committed their assigned terrorist operation. You may want to
propose the topic to any of the major international news channels. It's
interesting but it needs research.

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These are not stupid men.

Well, any level of formal education does not preclude lack of a balanced
intellect. And typically most of those don't really practice their
intended professions. I do realize yet, that rationalism, pragmatism,
and intelligence may be different things. Some illiterate people are
very intuitively intelligent.

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As a for instance, look at the credentials for the president of Iran.

In spite of his very strong statements against the state of Israel, this
is a properly democratically elected head of state and cannot be
regarded as a terrorist. In my personal opinion, he is soliciting the
moral support of many frustrated Moslems about the Palestinian problem,
with his occasional flaming announcements. If that problem reached a
fair resolution, again in my opinion, much of these concerns will go
away. But that's another story.

Cheers
Khaled

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All good points. Thank you for posting them. And pursuant to this
informed posting by you have some questions which I would like you to
also address. How widespread is this idea of Khelafa among Muslims?
And secondly, why is it not being discussed more openly in the press
(at least the Arab press) that the so-called terrorists (I think it is
more appropriate to refer to them as insurgents or militant
opposition) are mostly well educated. Most of them are professionals
or have advanced degrees. These are not stupid men. As a for instance,
look at the credentials for the president of Iran. Look at the
credentials of most of the attackers on 9/11. The head of al-qaeda are
all educated.
I think there was the exception of the former head of al-Qaeda in
Iraq, who was never really accepted by bin Laden as anything but a
rogue. Or am I wrong about him. I simply can't remember.
I would appreciate your analysis and comments with regard to my query.
Again, thanks for posting.
Hank

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How widespread is this idea of Khelafa among Muslims?

Have no idea.

AFAIK it is beleieved by everyone who follows the many
different "salafists" teachings



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[marco_pertoni]

Post by Khaled Aly
Pakistan... seems to be heading towards civil riots and

instability.

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It's probably a little intimidating to people when the president's
response to his presidency being claimed unconstitutional by the supreme
court was to seclude the chief of supreme court and all upper

layer

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judges and appoint his own in place, then suspend the

constitution, and

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declare a state of emergency until he is re-elected. People might feel
somewhat frustrated about such unprecedented actions. But it seems that
secular Bhutto was assassinated by whomever to give way to a
single-handed Islamic opposition, lead by moderate Islamic Nawaz Sherif
and backed up by fundamentalist groups, where the door may be open later
to Al Qaeda and Taleban for riotous/terrorist actions, both
organizations now seem to be operating out of the Pakistani-Afghan
border area and have declared their established "branch offices" in
western Pakistan. The issue is apparently shifting from

Afghanistan to

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Pakistan.

Pakistan: Bhutto's murder aids al-Qaeda's 'chaos strategy' says top
terror expert


Rome, 31 Dec. (AKI) - The assassination last week of Pakistan's
opposition leader Benazir Bhutto in the garrison town of Rawalpindi
is part of the al-Qaeda terror network's jihadist strategy to
destabilise the country, leading terrorism expert Brian Michael
Jenkins told Adnkronos in an exclusive interview.

"Benazir Bhutto's killing takes forward al-Qaeda's strategy of
wreaking chaos in Pakistan. The objective is to 'neutralise' any
Pakistani military offensive against the Taliban and al-Qaeda's
strongholds along the Afghan border," said Jenkins.

A member of the US Rand Corporation think-tank and former US army
commander in Vietnam, Jenkins is a security advisor to the US
government and the author of numerous books.

"The chaos in Pakistan is increasing the opportunities for jihadists
to radicalise the situation and garner new recruits."

"Creating havoc is the cardinal principle of al-Qaeda's doctrine,"
Jenkins underlined.

"Al-Qaeda is well aware that it can't win on its traditional
battleground, and so is aiming to make the country ungovernable, in
order to create an unsustainable situation for its enemies," he said.

But Jenkins urged caution in attributing responsibility for Bhutto's
murder last Thursday in a gun and suicide bomb attack, which the
Pakistani government has said it can prove was the work of al-Qaeda.

"We may never know the truth about who assassinated Bhutto," he
said, recalling that her supporters have fingered president Pervez
Musharraf and the Pakistani armed forces.

"Al-Qaeda is just a fake label for a broad and complex
jihadist 'universe' in which the connections are always obscure,"
Jenkins argued.

Unless al-Qaeda publishes a videotape showing the suicide bomber's
testimony and handshake with the terror network's leader Osama bin
Laden or second-in-command Ayman al-Zawahiri, it will be difficult
to link Bhutto's killer to the al-Qaeda leadership in the lawless
Waziristan tribal areas, Jenkins stated.

Pakistan's interior ministry last Friday said it had phone
intercepts from the country's intelligence services of a phone call
from wanted pro-Taliban militant leader in Pakistan's restive South
Waziristan tribal area, Baitullah Mehsud, in which he allegedly
congratulated another militant after Bhutto's death.

Jenkins conceded that on the basis of circumstantial evidence,
jihadists must be prime suspects in Bhutto's slaying.

"Jihadists had the motive, the means and the opportunity to kill
her," he stressed.

"Benazir Bhutto had vowed to go after jihadists if her party [the
Pakistan People's Party] won the general election. For them, she was
an abomination - a creature of the West and an instrument of US
imperialism," he concluded.



http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Politics/?id=1.0.1721684839